Our guest today is human behavior and performance coach Brian Bogert. In this third episode, Brian shares actionable practical tips for personal growth. If you struggle with perfectionism, structure and routine, knowing your purpose and direction, or overcoming resistance you are really going to find these insights helpful.

Please enjoy this transcript of our interview with human behavior and performance coach Brian Bogert. (BrianBogert.com)

Transcripts may contain a few typos. With interviews ranging from 1-2 hours, it can be difficult to catch minor errors. Enjoy!

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Brian Bogert: Human Behavior and Performance Coach

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Peter Kersting: Some friends of mine articulated to me that they’re really worried that by creating more structure, by being more scheduled out, they fear that they’re going to be not as creative or spontaneous of a person. These are artistic people. And, I wonder how you can touch on that.

Brian Bogert: Yeah. So, I think that there’s a whole lot of people paying attention to strategy and tactics to improve their life and what we’ve talked about in the past is it’s not based in that, typically. So, if we know who we are, we can allow our life to be built in alignment based on who we are. So, if you’re inherently a creative that doesn’t do well with structure and timelines and scheduling but you can recognize how do I still meet timelines, deadlines, and follow through with projects for my clients, by the way, it’s okay if you’re not structured. There are some people who are overly structured. Every 15 minutes of every single day is planned, but that’s how they feel they can operate.

Brian Bogert: If we look back to the element of control from our last episode, oftentimes we seek to control things that make us feel more safe and protected. Scheduling and calendaring is a way that sometimes people do that. So, if they feel out of control or worried about certain things, I just really want you to start and pay attention to what works for you. Right? Is having a rigid schedule good for you or is it not? How do you perform best? Is it sprints and an ebb and flow of both? Right? Again, it’s not binary. It’s not black and white. I either have to be scheduled or I have to be creative. You could literally alternate. Maybe two days a week, you have no scheduling and those are your creative days, and three days a week are tactical execution days to move things forward in your life and business. Right? It might flip flop.

Brian Bogert: Or, you might live 100% in the creative and allow the fluidity to be its own structure, knowing that the universe will take care of you if you surrender to it.

Peter Kersting: I love it.

Brian Bogert: But otherwise, we can structure it. So, it’s the same thing with success. It’s the same thing with, “Well, should I go do this diet plan? Should I go do this [inaudible 00:01:51]? Should I work out 45 minutes a day?”. At the end of the day, I’m not somebody that ever prescribes a task for anybody other than to begin with you, what resonates with you, what moves you, what aligns with who you are, and stop paying attention to all these things like, “I should be more tactical in my scheduling.” At the end of the day, if it doesn’t work for you, it doesn’t work for you.

Brian Bogert: I am not… Although I’m a product of my calendar, I’m not a rigid scheduled person in lots of my life. I’m a very disciplined person, but I’m not rigid in my scheduling. And, I also recognize that I have to be creative in other ways, and so, for me, it’s not about what’s right or wrong. It’s about what works for you.

Peter Kersting: Yeah. That’s a really good point. And, everybody’s unique, just like their perspective and their experience is unique.

Brian Bogert: That’s right. That’s right.

Peter Kersting: I want to talk about the people who maybe are feeling like perfectionism is stopping them from getting things done, because some people are okay with just getting stuff done and it seems like they’re getting stuff done consistently. Other people feel like, “Hey, no. If I can’t do it right, I don’t want to do it.” How do you find that balance between the two? Because, the one is slapstick and amateur, potentially, and the other means… There’s this phrase I’m going to throw out there, which is that a fair idea executed well is worth more than a great idea not realized.

Brian Bogert: Yeah. Yeah.

Peter Kersting: So, how do we deal with that problem if we’re a perfectionist?

Brian Bogert: I think you got to get to the root of your perfectionism. I think it’s better to understand why am I a perfectionist and what can I do about it to make sure that it can work for me. I am a very anal, detail-oriented person and I used to be a classic OCD perfectionist. For me, my perfectionism was rooted in my shame. Right? Because, the things that I did were defining who I was versus being okay that who I was was independent of what I did. And so, for me, I would think about every single word in an email through the lens of how will I be judged based on this email and the person who’s receiving it. Will it demonstrate who I am? Will I be heard? Will I be seen? Will I be protected? And, will I connect through what I’m doing?

Brian Bogert: Perfectionism is generally a byproduct of how will others receive who we are and what we’re doing. For me, it was rooted in shame and the shame, again, was sometimes I’m not worthy, I’m not good enough. But, the other side of it was, “Who do you think you are?”. Right? I might be living too big and if I was going to be perfect in the way that I do it, it also was something that I was trying to control to make sure that I wasn’t coming across as a fraud but that I was who I was demonstrating myself to be, so I had to be so buttoned-up around this tight-knit approach.

Brian Bogert: So, perfectionism, again, like everything else, is not a strategy and tactic. It’s an emotional trigger. Understand it and understand where that comes into play. Now, for me, I am still very, very rigid, if you will, in the standards that I have for my life. So, for me, I shifted from any particular outcome or deliverable and more towards direction and what are the standards that I’m going to live by. Right?

Brian Bogert: The production studio that you see right here is a perfect example of that. I’m a paid speaker. I’m a professional speaker and a coach that reads people. When we hit COVID, I had to pivot and I built out an entire studio that I felt like could differentiate me because my standard with how we operate is at a level that I think that the way that people feel and experience us needs to be at the highest echelon. Now, was my backdrop perfect before I started? No. I started with a better camera when I was in a different room and my gym was in the background and then I had just the wood wall and then I had a different shelf with lamps and then I had this shelf with different items on it. It was a process of refining.

Brian Bogert: So, what I looked at was my standard was to be at the best tier, but my best [inaudible 00:05:32] better. And so, when I started to surrender to that in that my best product is typically not going to be the one that’s first out of the gate, right? And, I could cripple myself based on perfectionism. I have a client who identified as a writer but she hasn’t written in years because what she told me is that she would only write something if she knew it would be a final product. She didn’t look at her writing as a process to get to a work product at the end. And so, a lot of times, right, people who struggle with making content and different things or being creative… I’ll literally say something as simple as, “Just turn the camera on and start talking.”

Brian Bogert: If you go back and watch my videos, Bogert’s Bullets, from six years ago, they were far from perfect. They are not how I communicate today. They did not demonstrate who I was. They were absolutely forced. They were not authentic. But, I was focused on the perfection of the production quality versus who I was and at some point, it stopped connecting and resonating. But, guess what? Look over six years how it’s refined. My work product today is way better and would be perceived as way more perfect than it was six years ago.

Brian Bogert: So, stop viewing things as any finite product and look at things as a process and the directional outcome and recognize that if you just commit to yourself that you’re going to give the best intent, the best work product, then it’s not about perfect because, oh by the way, perfect just doesn’t happen. Perfect sets a false narrative in the world because nobody and nothing is perfect. And so, I just think perfectionism is a root that’s an emotional trigger and I would encourage you more to understand why do you operate this way and what can you do to change it versus what are some specific tactics to balance my perfectionism versus action.

Peter Kersting: Yeah. Yeah. That’s so… That’s so awesome to think about what is causing me to be perfectionist. What is…? What am I afraid of happening if I put out something that’s not perfect?

Brian Bogert: Yeah. Is it your parents who’ve said that you have to get straight A’s and because you got straight A’s, you realize that that’s how you’re going to get love and admiration and so I have to be a high performer that’s perfect in everything so I can get love and admiration? Again, I just gave an example, right? That’s not my story, but that’s somebody else’s story. Right? And so, look at like… And, this person is bottled up to be perfect in every single way because the only way I can receive and give love is if I fit within this box. Rooted in control. Rooted in shame. Rooted in all these other things.

Peter Kersting: It’s good stuff. I want to present an analogy. Perhaps not a perfect analogy, but it’s analogy of goals and how we potentially will evaluate the success of said goals.

Brian Bogert: Mm-hmm (affirmative)-

Peter Kersting: I’m a runner and I like to go when it’s not 150 degrees outside. I like to go on runs. Sometimes, I do. When it’s 100 degrees out, I just go. And, unfortunately, because of how hot it’s been recently, I have not been running nearly as much as I like to. Normally, I run two, three times a week, at least five K. Right? So, I have this defined goal in my mind that I need to get at least to five kilometers. So, I went for a run a couple months ago and I was going through this process and I thought I should write this down so I could use this [inaudible 00:08:28] illustration because I think it works pretty well.

Peter Kersting: So, I wanted to stop at the two mile marker. I was… It was so hot outside. I was tired. But, I said, “No. There’s no way. I usually run three and a half miles almost. You know? Over five K. I’m not stopping at two.” So, I pushed myself to three and I was like, “All right. I’m done.” I didn’t hit the five K and I was like three miles. And, there’s a possible mindset problem here. I’m upset. I didn’t hit my goal. Why the heck didn’t I hit my goal? I’m a runner. I identify as a runner. I can normally run five kilometers and that’s a simple goal that I should be able to meet. Why can’t I do that?

Peter Kersting: Side note here. I ran that a lot faster than I normally do, and I’m not running regularly, as I said. So, can you unpack maybe some of the things going on here? It’s a little bit of a leading question, I suppose, but.

Brian Bogert: Well, it is but it’s a great concept, right? Because, I think there’s this idea of failure that we need to learn to embrace and we need to recognize what is failure because I think when people set goals, they also will look at and define failure based on those goals. So, we need to better understand. Are we failing towards our greater aggregate goal? Or, are we failing towards smaller incremental goals? Or, are we failing at the tactics that help us deliver towards those goals? And, when we can start to recognize that part of this is all about a process, right? Your five K is really a standard that you’ve set for yourself. You’re like, “I want to be able to do this because it’ll allow me to stay in the physical condition that I’m in and what I’m doing.” Right?

Brian Bogert: And so, you could fixate on this one experience and be like, “I didn’t three point two miles. I hit three. But, the context of the scenario suggests like I actually ran faster and I was quicker in that moment, so I pushed myself harder despite the fact that the endurance wasn’t there. I actually had a higher degree of intensity. So, I actually accomplished a different goal that probably leads towards my greater aggregate goal of being a healthy person who can go run three to five times a week without questioning it.”

Brian Bogert: And so, often what we do is we get caught up in the failures and the little moments. That’s where perfectionism and control come in. Right? We may have a… Let’s say we’ve got a business and we have an annual goal of producing a million dollars of new revenue this year. Okay? That means quarterly, we’re anticipating… We’re going to break it down. Quarter million dollars every single quarter, which means that each month, we’re going to break down into a smaller incremental number. Right? Which means that we have daily activities that are going to tie to all of those.

Brian Bogert: Now, we may have a shitty day of cold calling. Did I fail towards my annual goal? Did I fail towards my quarterly goal? Did I fail towards my monthly goal? Did I fail towards my weekly goal? Or, did I just have a bad day? Right? Was I out of the…? And, oh, by the way, did I fail? Well, did I learn anything from my failure? Because, failure points us at what’s important. Failure gives us feedback and hones our focus if we’re paying attention, just like perspective. Right?

Brian Bogert: So, if I fail in that day, I may have had a horrible day at cold calling. Well, did I bring an energy and emotion into it that changed the dynamic on the phone? Did I say something different? Did I just not have any luck getting a hold of anybody? Understand the variables and factors. In this case, it was a hot day. You ran faster. You burned more energy. And, yeah, you didn’t last as long because of all those variables. Does that mean that you’re a bad runner or not healthy or not living towards your aggregate goal? No.

Brian Bogert: And so, we have to recognize that our failures in our small incremental goals or the tactics to get to those goals are actually a process to refine so that we have a greater likelihood of hitting our aggregate goal. Right? We all hear that we overestimate what we can accomplish in a year and underestimate what we can accomplish in a decade. This is no different. It’s because people get distracted by those little incremental or tactical goals that they miss and so they never actually get where they want. But, if you pay attention to the fact that these can actually allow us to refine everything we do… Because, again, failure gives us feedback and it hones our focus. What is the failure telling you and how do you use that moving forward to make sure that, okay, by the way, my small tactical, small incremental goal tomorrow, I’m going to be better at? Right?

Brian Bogert: But, let’s take it a step further. Let’s say the first quarter, we only produce 100 grand. Now, we’ve got 900 grand left in three quarters. Does that mean I’ve failed? No. Does that mean that I created process and I’m starting to establish momentum and I’m probably going to be able to do that? Yeah, likely, if I’ve done the things and paid attention to the failure. So, what are those small incremental things and what was the feedback from the first quarter? Why did we only hit 100,000? What can we…? What did we learn from it? What do we do differently in the next quarter? But, stay consistent in paying attention to where am I actually driving and what are these small incremental goals and what are these small tactical goals actually do as it relates to the bigger version on who I want to be and who I want to become. Right?

Brian Bogert: So, for you, that’s a perfect analogy. Right? But, you may tie it to something bigger at some point. Say, “I’m going to run two marathons in this next year, which means that I’ve got to train at a higher clip than I did before, which means that I’ve got a smaller incremental goal that I have to pay attention to on a regular and consistent basis, which translates to these different things.” But, guess what? To train holistically for that, you’re going to have long runs, you’re going to have sprint runs, you’re going to have different things. So, as long as you recognize it’s not about hitting this target every single time. It’s about giving everything you’ve got while you’re there and recognizing that, you know what, you might have been a little more tired that day. It was hotter that day. And, sometimes there’s an element of grace that we need to give ourselves, recognizing that the compound effect of the regular and consistent action we take is actually guiding us towards a greater path. But instead, we internalize that as failure instead of success in every minute.

Peter Kersting: Yeah. Wow. No, that last part especially, I think, is very important to remember. Giving yourself grace and saying, “If I didn’t hit the goal today, that doesn’t mean the goal itself is a failure.” And, it doesn’t even mean that moment is a failure, too. I think that’s why defining what success is, or rather, redefining what failure is is so big.

Brian Bogert: Correct.

Peter Kersting: For so many people, for myself included, I still am working a lot on that and this is another aspect of this maybe, is if you know what to do but you’re impatient about getting it done. How do you stick with it? And, I think maybe the term that I’m looking for more is resistance. How do you overcome resistance? You know where the end goal is. You know what you need to do and actually you feel a lot of resistance towards that thing.

Brian Bogert: Yeah. So, I like the word resistance a lot. I use the word resistance a lot in many things that we talk about and I think in this case, we have to be really honest as to the sources of resistance. Right? Is it ourselves getting in our own way? Is it external factors? Is it other people? Or, is this just not a viable goal or product? Like, truthfully. Right? And, I use goal and product intentionally because it’s like in a business or whatever, we will set our eyes on these things and we’ll just trudge along. But, what most people don’t do in that process is actually refine. They set a plan. They work the plan. And then, all of a sudden, the plan doesn’t work. But, at every incremental point throughout that plan, you could have refined and improved the plan so that it actually becomes a dynamic working approach to how you’re trying to get to that goal.

Brian Bogert: When you realize that you can incrementally remove moments of resistance through a process of getting there, that’s what it’s about. Right? I want to impact a billion lives by 2045. You don’t think I’m going to face a hell of a lot of resistance? We already have, just in getting it stood up in the beginning stages of our entities. Right? We’ve had little moments of difference that just didn’t make sense. I had some business partners that I didn’t align with, but I didn’t realize it for six months. Once we realized it, we dissolved the entity in eight days because it was a moment of resistance that was keeping me from where I was actually heading and this was just something incremental in the path.

Brian Bogert: So, where are the sources of resistance and how do you incrementally remove them? I do think there’s an element of resistance is not always bad. We got to pay attention to that. Right? Let’s look at a race car, for example. You can’t be full throttle all the time. But, oh, by the way, even when you’re full throttle, the only thing keeping you on the ground is the resistance between the tires and the road. The only thing that keeps you on the ground in the turns is the resistance the brakes apply to the calipers to slow you down so you can set that cadence. We typically view resistance as bad, right? Like, oh, I’m going to slow down in this period of time. That can be viewed as resistance. I’m not getting to where I want as fast. But often, the resistance is also feeding our path. So, look at the ones that are negative resistance, that aren’t additive to it, but don’t necessarily view resistance as bad. Recognize the source of the resistance. How do you remove it or how do you lean into it to propel you on your path?

Brian Bogert: And, I just look at these things. Again, swimming. The only way we can swim is through the resistance that’s created between the water and our arms moving. Resistance isn’t always bad, but if you’re in a pool and you’re trying to swim from one side of the pool to the other and the resistance is one of those ropes that holds you in place so that you can swim in perpetuity, you’re not ever going to get to the other side. Resistance of the water is the only way you move.

Peter Kersting: No, that’s so true and I mean [inaudible 00:16:47] you think about the presence of resistance oftentimes… Steven Pressfield is an author I really like and I think I mentioned [inaudible 00:16:55] before when we talked and he has this concept. It’s all about resistance and one of the things he says that’s beautiful is that the thing that you feel the most resistance towards doing is probably the thing you need to do most.

Brian Bogert: Which, by the way, is embracing pain to avoid suffering. It’s all the same. Right? That’s what I say. I talk about it. Yeah.

Peter Kersting: I love it because it’s almost like if I’m feeling resistance towards this thing, maybe I just need to do it.

Brian Bogert: But, think about it too in terms of relationships. Right? When you have conflict with somebody, a spouse, a partner, what is it? It’s resistance and energy drain. So, we’ve got to recognize what is the resistance. Right? If we get a little moment of conflict with a misunderstanding because of the way you look or interact with each other… If we actually were to say, “Okay. I don’t care about being right. I care about getting it right,” then what we do is seek to understand where did that resistance come from. Was it rooted in a misunderstanding? Was it rooted in the misunderstanding based in the lack of perspective? Is it rooted in an emotional trigger by the fact that they reacted to something I said and I didn’t even know it? Was it rooted in the fact that our intent was just totally misaligned?

Brian Bogert: But again, even in a relational capacity, resistance is something that we don’t like, but it’s also what’s telling us the only thing that’s keeping us from connecting is that resistance. So, how do we get to the root of the resistance? What is it? How do we use it to our advantage versus allowing it to keep us stuck?

Peter Kersting: Which all comes back to that idea of understanding yourself and those emotional triggers. I love that stuff.

Brian Bogert: Nothing I talk about is mutually exclusive. It’s all integrated, brother. It all feeds off itself.

Peter Kersting: I’ve [inaudible 00:18:21]. I’m the same way. Sometimes, I joke with people that it’s like the way that I look at things is kind of like the conspiracy theory map with all the little strings connected because I’m like, “Oh, what he just said connects to this other thing and this other thing that I read over there and [inaudible 00:18:35] this situation I had the other day with this thing.”

Brian Bogert: Yeah.

Peter Kersting: And then, [inaudible 00:18:38]. I don’t know if everybody else looks at things that way, but I definitely… I can see that connection. [crosstalk 00:18:44].

Brian Bogert: 100%. That’s just how… You know, that’s my view of the world. That’s not to say it’s the right way to do it. But, the other thing is, too, all these concepts… We’re talking about it. We’re articulating it, potentially uniquely, based on who we are. But, none of these concepts are new. None of these concepts are mine. None of these concepts are yours. These are concepts that for centuries have guided our populations and we’ve lost sight of some of the basic fundamental ones. And so, that’s the thing, too, is it’s like they are all interconnected because it’s all rooted in the human experience.

Peter Kersting: Yeah. And, also, it’s not about… Yeah. It’s not about us creating or inventing a unique concept. And, if it was, it would probably not hold ground. Right? This is stuff that’s rooted in something deeper than us and that’s, I think, why people would have such a strong… When they hear your story and they hear my story and they hear someone else’s story, they say, “Yeah. Wow. I didn’t experience that but I can relate to that.” I love how much hearing what somebody else went through allows you to understand them and that’s why I’m really thankful you’ve shared your story with us today.

Peter Kersting: I want to ask you maybe one, maybe two more and then we’ll call it good. I’m thinking about some of us are fortunate to go, “Hey, I know exactly who I want to be. I’m going there.” Others of us have felt like we’re floundering. “Hey, I don’t know. Maybe I should do this. Maybe I should do that. I’m interested in this other thing.” And, there’s all this decision fatigue and this lack of identity surrounding it. What are some ways that we can start to really build out self-awareness and find that direction that’s going to allow us to take that action we need to take?

Brian Bogert: Yeah. So, if people go back to episode one and listen to the two lists I asked people to make, that’s a great place to start. You know? But, I also want to just make sure that people recognize and understand that a really simple thing here is just to really recognize that there is no right or wrong in how you choose to live your life. It’s only how you choose to live your life. And so, often people will go through these processes of feeling like they need to try something else or… Right? “Oh, I’m going to… I’m going to get on the crypto chain and I’m going to go do cryptocurrency and [inaudible 00:21:01] I’m going to do this. I’m going to do that.”

Brian Bogert: And, what’s happening is people are looking for things to grab on to that are strategy and tactics versus spending the time understanding who they are. So, if we go back to episode one and listen to those two lists, they’ll have a better understanding of who they are. But then, I think what’s important too is just to start to recognize that if you desire something or you have a thought about doing something, there’s probably a large degree of belief that that’s in alignment with who you are and whenever we start to question ourselves or pull back or have doubts or regrets, that’s when we start listening to the voices of the world.

Brian Bogert: And so, that is one thing I want to be really clear because when people say it, like when they’re waffling, it’s because they’re searching to do things. But, I genuinely believe… When I say get people back to who they already are, typically who we are doesn’t die completely. It just becomes an empty version of who we once were. And, when we go through the work of shedding those layers, that bright, that bright burning light that we talked about in [inaudible 00:21:51] episode, right, can start to shine more brightly, more powerfully. And, oh by the way, that light can also empower and illuminate other people’s lights.

Brian Bogert: So, everything we’re talking about, right, is if you just live your truth, there is never anything wrong with you living your truth other than how the other people in the world are going to react to it. And, we don’t feel we have permission to do so because we’ve been confined, we’ve been told that who we are isn’t good enough, that our belief system, our religion, our race, our ethnicity, our creed, our color, whatever, isn’t good enough. I believe it’s always okay to live your truth and when we live our own truth, we give people the power and perspective and strength to live their own.

Brian Bogert: And so, I wish I could give you a really tactical approach, say this is exactly how you find your way and exactly how you find who you are. But, it’s a highly dynamic thing. It’s very simple but it’s not easy.

Peter Kersting: But, it’s also something that takes your entire life.

Brian Bogert: Years. Years.

Peter Kersting: And, I think that’s something to keep people aware of, is if you’re 23, 25, 30 years old, 35 years old, you don’t have to know for certainty that what you’re doing right now is what you’re going to be doing five years from now.

Brian Bogert: Well, look at Morgan Freeman. I always forget the age he was, but it’s like Morgan Freeman didn’t become well known until his sixties. Right? He literally was not Morgan Freeman and he’s like the voice of God on every movie, right?

Peter Kersting: Yeah.

Brian Bogert: He’s like the narrator for everything now because he just has this incredible voice and presence. But, again, he didn’t get started. And, you can look at all these people that have started and never found their way, never found exactly who they were, until late in life.

Peter Kersting: And, I think the other beautiful thing about that as well is that once you do find it, everything before seems to kind of make sense.

Brian Bogert: It does.

Peter Kersting: It’s like, “Oh. That’s why I did that. That was not what I wanted to do, but I did that because then it helped me know that I wanted to do this.” You know?

Brian Bogert: That’s right.

Peter Kersting: And, that’s why, personally, I am never… I never regret decisions I made in the past as long as I learn from them and I guess… Yeah. All in there with that thought, I do want to ask you one final thing, which is, is there anything that you would like to leave the audience with? Piece of information? Anything that we haven’t touched on.

Brian Bogert: Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of people are looking for a hero these days. They’re looking for a savior. They’re looking for somebody to give them that next seven step system to success, that next app, that next glimmer of knowledge, that next golden nugget. Right? People are truly looking for a savior. They’re looking for a hero. And, I’m going to tell you… This is going to sound negative, but it’s just the truth. There isn’t one. The only hero, the only savior, is you. You are the only person who can save you and be your own hero. You can find guides. Guides can be spouses. They can friends. They can be mentors. They can be kids. They can be paid coaches. But, I want to be clear. This is not a push to go hire a coach. I don’t think 90% of people are ready for a coach. But, you can find a guide.

Brian Bogert: But, what I want everybody to recognize is that if you’re listening to this right now, you are a survivor. You have overcome ridiculous amounts of adversity in your life. You have dealt with the pain. You have started to move through. But, if you’re not feeling where you want to be, that means there’s more work to do. But, the fact that you’re here today means you’re a survivor and what you’re hoping to do is shift and become a thriver. You want to be able to use those lessons from your life and become intentional with how do you build an even better one.

Brian Bogert: And, oh by the way, we all have that ability. So, what I would say is stop looking outside. Start inside out. And, when you start to do that, you will realize that you will be moved to places that you didn’t realize were possible holistically in your life. When I say that our clients genuinely improve relationships, health, businesses, spirituality, that’s what I mean. But, it’s not because they went through our process. It’s because they put in the work in the process because our process is not a one size fits all. It’s about extracting the best version of you. All I’m asking is that you do that for you because when you become moved, moved people move people and we can create a ripple effect that truly is rooted in joy, freedom and fulfillment for us all to experience.

Peter Kersting: Brian Bogert, thanks so much for being on Alone With Peter. Owner and president of Brian Bogert Companies, human behavior and performance coach, outstanding guy. I’m excited. I’m excited for the people who will get a chance to listen to this and the lives you’ll be able to impact and hopefully be able to see, check back in with those year and 10 year goals as 2045 comes up way faster than it should. But, yeah, man. It’s been a pleasure. It’s been an honor and I hope it’s not the last time.

Brian Bogert: I don’t believe it’s going to be the last time, my friend. Thank you for the opportunity. Thank you for building a platform to allow me to pour good into the world, pour my soul into the world, and allow my truth to hopefully give others a nudge and permission to live theirs. So, thank you.

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